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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">13.07.2016 09:26, Pranith Kumar
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM,
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                <div>13.07.2016 09:16, Pranith Kumar Karampuri пишет:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2016
                            at 10:38 AM, Dmitry Melekhov <span
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                                <div>13.07.2016 09:04, Pranith Kumar
                                  Karampuri пишет:<br>
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                                            Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:29
                                            AM, Dmitry Melekhov <span
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                                                <div>13.07.2016 08:56,
                                                  Pranith Kumar
                                                  Karampuri пишет:<br>
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                                                          Wed, Jul 13,
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                                                          AM, Dmitry
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                                                          <div>13.07.2016
                                                          08:46, Pranith
                                                          Kumar
                                                          Karampuri
                                                          пишет:<br>
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                                                          Wed, Jul 13,
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                                                          AM, Dmitry
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                                                          <div>13.07.2016

                                                          08:36, Pranith
                                                          Kumar
                                                          Karampuri
                                                          пишет:<br>
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                                                          Wed, Jul 13,
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                                                          AM, Dmitry
                                                          Melekhov <span
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                                                          01:52,
                                                          Anuradha Talur
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                                                          From: "Dmitry
                                                          Melekhov" &lt;<a
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                                                          To: "Pranith
                                                          Kumar
                                                          Karampuri"
                                                          &lt;<a
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                                                          Cc:
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                                                          Sent: Tuesday,
                                                          July 12, 2016
                                                          9:27:17 PM<br>
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [Gluster-users]
                                                          3.7.13, index
                                                          healing
                                                          broken?<br>
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                                                          12.07.2016
                                                          17:39, Pranith
                                                          Kumar
                                                          Karampuri
                                                          пишет:<br>
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                                                          Wow, what are
                                                          the steps to
                                                          recreate the
                                                          problem?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          just set file
                                                          length to
                                                          zero, always
                                                          reproducible.<br>
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                                                          If you are
                                                          setting the
                                                          file length to
                                                          0 on one of
                                                          the bricks
                                                          (looks like<br>
                                                          that is the
                                                          case), it is
                                                          not a bug.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Index heal
                                                          relies on
                                                          failures seen
                                                          from the mount
                                                          point(s)<br>
                                                          to identify
                                                          the files that
                                                          need heal. It
                                                          won't be able
                                                          to recognize
                                                          any file<br>
                                                          modification
                                                          done directly
                                                          on bricks.
                                                          Same goes for
                                                          heal info
                                                          command which<br>
                                                          is the reason
                                                          heal info also
                                                          shows 0
                                                          entries.<br>
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                                                          </span> Well,
                                                          this makes
                                                          self-heal
                                                          useless then-
                                                          if any file is
                                                          accidently
                                                          corrupted or
                                                          deleted (yes!
                                                          if file is
                                                          deleted
                                                          directly from
                                                          brick this is
                                                          no recognized
                                                          by idex heal
                                                          too), then it
                                                          will not be
                                                          self-healed,
                                                          because
                                                          self-heal uses
                                                          index heal.<span><br>
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                                                          <div>It is
                                                          better to look
                                                          into bit-rot
                                                          feature if you
                                                          want to guard
                                                          against these
                                                          kinds of
                                                          problems.<br>
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                                                          </span> Bit
                                                          rot detects
                                                          bit problems,
                                                          not missing
                                                          files or their
                                                          wrong length,
                                                          i.e. this is
                                                          overhead for
                                                          such simple
                                                          task.<br>
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                                                          <div>It
                                                          detects wrong
                                                          length.
                                                          Because
                                                          checksum won't
                                                          match anymore.<br>
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                                                          </span> Yes,
                                                          sure. I guess
                                                          that it will
                                                          detect missed
                                                          files too. But
                                                          it needs far
                                                          more
                                                          resources,
                                                          then just
                                                          comparing
                                                          directories in
                                                          bricks?<span><br>
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                                                          <div>What
                                                          use-case you
                                                          are trying out
                                                          is leading to
                                                          changing
                                                          things
                                                          directly on
                                                          the brick?<br>
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                                                          </span> I'm
                                                          trying to test
                                                          gluster
                                                          failure
                                                          tolerance and
                                                          right now I'm
                                                          not happy with
                                                          it...<br>
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                                                          <div>Which
                                                          cases of fault
                                                          tolerance are
                                                          you not happy
                                                          with? Making
                                                          changes
                                                          directly on
                                                          the brick or
                                                          anything else
                                                          as well?<br>
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                                                I'll repeat:<span><br>
                                                  As I already said- if
                                                  I for some reason (
                                                  real case  can be only
                                                  by accident ) will
                                                  delete file this will
                                                  not be detected by
                                                  self-heal daemon, and,
                                                  thus, will lead to
                                                  lower replication
                                                  level, i.e. lower
                                                  failure tolerance. <br>
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                                              To prevent such accidents
                                              you need to set selinux
                                              policies so that files
                                              under the brick are not
                                              modified by accident by
                                              any user. At least that is
                                              the solution I remember
                                              when this was discussed
                                              3-4 years back.<br>
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                                So only supported platfrom is linux? Or,
                                may be, it is better to improve
                                self-healing to detect missing or wrong
                                length files, I guess this is very low
                                cost in terms of host resources
                                operation.<br>
                                Just a suggestion, may be we need to
                                look to alternatives in near future....<br>
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                          This is a corner case, from design perspective
                          it is generally not a good idea to optimize
                          for the corner case. It is better to protect
                          ourselves from the corner case (SElinux etc)
                          or you can also use snapshots to protect
                          against these kind of mishaps.<br>
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                Sorry, I'm not agree. <br>
                As you  know if on access missed or wrong lenghted file
                from fuse client it is restored (healed), i.e. gluster
                recognizes file is wrong and heal it , so I do not see
                any reason to provide this such function as
                self-healing.<br>
                Thank you!<br>
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          Ah! Now how do you suggest we keep track of which of 10s of
          millions of files the user accidentally deleted from the brick
          without gluster's knowledge? Once it comes to gluster's
          knowledge we can do something. But how does gluster become
          aware of something it is not keeping track of? At the time you
          access it gluster knows something went wrong so it restores
          it. If you change something on the bricks even by accident all
          the data gluster keeps (similar to journal) is a waste. Even
          the disk filesystems will ask you to do fsck if something
          unexpected happens so full self-heal is similar operation.<br>
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    You are absolutely right- question is why gluster does not become
    aware about such problem is case of self-healing?<br>
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